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Old 04-19-2010 | 06:35 PM
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Painted my 240Z

Thought some of you would care to see its evolution.

When I got it:













Beginning the paint process:









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Old 04-19-2010 | 06:36 PM
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senior members should be allowed to post as many pics as they want at once.









Reassembled:









Hatch needs to be wetsanded a bit - there was some orange overspray that made its way under the newspaper, so I removed it, but didn't have time to do much more today. Blemish is visible in the following pic:





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Old 04-19-2010 | 06:36 PM
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The inspiration:


The body's not perfect... it's from 1973 and was neglected for over 20 years, so as an amateur (this was my first paint job), I didn't expect it to be. Yes, it is orange peeled... I'll wetsand the next time I'm able to work on it. And the hood needs to be aligned before it can be closed.

For anyone wondering, I used Duplicolor's "Paint Shop" system.

All that's left to get it on the road is to finish the brakes and replace some sensors. Tried to bleed the system Thursday, found a massive leak from the front passenger's side hardline, so I fabricated a new one. Went to bleed the rears, but the master cylinder wasn't taking any fluid for the rear side... determined that the master cylinder was shot. Thanks (once again) to Eric, I obtained a 280ZX 15/16 master cylinder... got the rear hardline attached to the master cylinder, but the front hardline wasn't cooperating and I ran out of time.
Old 04-19-2010 | 07:55 PM
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randy, i've been looking the pics over, and i think you should remove the flares... just don't work with those wheels and at that height...
Old 04-19-2010 | 08:15 PM
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2nd that^^^ unless you plan on wider wheels at some point

and dude, i def would have come up there and helped you with it. no lie. if you decide to repaint it at any point, i'll seriously try to come up and help you spray it (not sure if you know this, but i'm a pro at painting. i'll show you some pics if you are in doubt!). good luck with sanding out the orange peel.

BUT! get that biotch to carlisle in May! it's going to be off the hizzy!

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Old 04-19-2010 | 08:28 PM
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As I said on ChicagoZ when you said that, Eric, the Z31 wheels are NOT staying. The ride height is also not finalized (do you not recall how low my Z32 was?). Sorry if I don't have your kind of money. lol The flares stay. Even if the holes weren't already in the fenders and quarters, and the surfaces underneath were in good condition (NEITHER of which are true), I'd still want the flares on the car.

Hell, if you had your way, I wouldn't have painted the car how I did. lol

You're also the only person who has had any negative opinion toward the flares.

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Old 04-19-2010 | 08:50 PM
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Car looks nice.....just needs lowered a tad to complete the look IMO.
Old 04-19-2010 | 09:32 PM
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No doubt, but I'd rather save for actual coilovers than clip the springs (because right now, the only way I could afford to lower the car is by clipping the springs).
Old 04-19-2010 | 11:01 PM
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nice. i like the semigloss
Old 04-20-2010 | 11:41 AM
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woaahhh, don't get me wrong, i freaking love the **** out of ZG flares, but done the way i described on chicagoz. i think no S30 lowered and with wider wheels should be without, i just meant for the current state it is in.

and yeah, i still think my idea for using those colors was better :P but it turned out a better then i expected. and i don't have money! if i did the S2K would be slammed on some enkei's right now and getting a turbo kit haha.
Old 04-20-2010 | 02:48 PM
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I love the two tone scheme on the older Z's. If I had one I'd do similar only with a matte black.
Old 04-20-2010 | 10:43 PM
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his is a matte black. lol. just crappy pictures haha. idk if it's the lighting or the camera you used, but it def doesn't show much detail as far as any flaws or glossiness.
Old 04-21-2010 | 12:01 AM
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It's actually satin black (don't know if there's a difference).

As far as the camera, it's a 6.2MP Kodak... and the last several pics are in direct sunlight around 4-5pm. As far as flaws, there aren't any really in the paint - just orange peel. There is shitty metal underneath the flares, though... and if you look closely at the driver's side door in the rear driver's side pics, you can see the previous owners unimpressive bondo work (below the door handle).

I believe the lack of glossiness is either from the orange peel or I went too light on the clear coat... both of which aren't difficult to correct, but I'm going to consult my neighbor (who does body work for a living) about the best way to approach it.
Old 04-21-2010 | 12:10 AM
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hmmm... might also jsut be the size of the pics to... as for the orange peel, i would say it's very possible that the fluke of COLD air we had may have brought the temps down just below of what is desireable. i wouldn't paint anything while the ambient temp is below 60 degrees. especially cold metal stuff, it tends to really hold that cold temp in and screw with the drying/adhering process.


matte/satin/flat are all almost exaclty the same. matte and satin i think might be the same, just having a SLIGHT amount of gloss in them compared to flat.
Old 04-21-2010 | 09:46 AM
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It's too late for all the shoudacudda but you can color sand the whole car to get the texture you want and then shoot it with a mat clear coat. If you shot it with the metal below 60 degrees I think you should wait about 2 weeks so it can dry under the skin.
Old 04-21-2010 | 10:10 AM
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Alright... enough with the outside and paint...

Where's the engine bay pics?!
Old 04-21-2010 | 10:16 AM
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you can put down a good coat in some pretty low temperatures with the right reducer. the problem was probably entirely due to the gun not being set up properly. that's really the hardest part about painting, and the aspect that i still have the most trouble with. you can tell that a ton of care went into prep work and he was very patient when spraying it, but without a pro there to set the gun up, it's really hard to get that good texture.
Old 04-21-2010 | 11:58 AM
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I considered asking my neighbor to help with setting up the gun beforehand, but he's a busy guy and I always feel like I'm bugging him when I ask him stuff, nowadays.

And the engine bay is currently hideous. The bay is painted black, but the motor is all greasy and unpainted, there are AC components strewn all over the place (I have yet to mount the compressor and condenser), wires everywhere, etc. It runs fine... but I've never been one for an immaculate engine bay. lol
Old 04-21-2010 | 12:10 PM
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yeah, it looks like you were using a bit too much air pressure. the trick is to look at the fan from the side and get it to look strait and smooth for just about as far as it can (at least 8 inches from the nozzle). if it is breaking up into swirls before that, you just can't get a good coat down. that's about as far as i can get with it before i just start experimenting. i don't have much method past that point.
Old 04-21-2010 | 12:39 PM
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I went exactly by the directions on the can, which said ~30psi. It also said to increase the paint flow, which I did a little bit, but not too much.

Eric's point is valid as well... the temperature dropped pretty drastically that night (was in the 50's). But it was either spray it then or not at all... so I had to get it done. Either way, I'm happy with how it looks, I just have to figure out how to smooth it out a bit.
Old 04-21-2010 | 01:44 PM
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yeah, 30psi at the regulator, but there are still two other controls to play with once you get that set. also, adjusting the regulator pressure can sometimes help compensate for that temperature.

what i'm trying to say is that setting up the gun is something that can't just be done by default settings. your reducer, paint system, temperature, spraying style, surface area and numerous other factors are going to affect how the gun is best set up for any given day. like i said though, it's tough. i still can't always do it. my paint jobs always turn out well because i have my dad there (painter for... 20 years or so) to check the gun set up.
Old 04-21-2010 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ZLover4Life
I went exactly by the directions on the can, which said ~30psi. It also said to increase the paint flow, which I did a little bit, but not too much.

Eric's point is valid as well... the temperature dropped pretty drastically that night (was in the 50's). But it was either spray it then or not at all... so I had to get it done. Either way, I'm happy with how it looks, I just have to figure out how to smooth it out a bit.
did you cut it yet? the painter at my shop showed me a few tricks after you lay the clear coat. This looks like a good read on the matter: http://ezinearticles.com/?How-To-Cut...-Job&id=663909

Like it says... DON'T CUT INTO THE PAINT!
Old 04-21-2010 | 11:31 PM
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my spray gun usually is good at about 80psi at the regulator (when spraying drops to 60) but it also has a secondary regulator at the base of the gun to, forget what it is set to, then set the fan span and the paint flow so it covers smooth and not to thick. i usually spray cardboard before hand to see how it is laying down.
Old 04-22-2010 | 01:37 AM
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The regulator at the gun is what I had set to 25 for paint (paint directions said 20-40 psi), 30 for clear (directions said 30-40). I blasted the spare door I have before moving to the car, but the color coat isn't what there was an issue with - the color is even and looks great, in my opinion. It's the clear that I don't think I went heavy enough on.

And no, I didn't do any sanding or buffing... I'm only able to work on the car when I make trips to Chicago (I currently live ~250 miles from the car itself, which is stored at my parents'). Thanks for the link.
Old 04-22-2010 | 04:01 PM
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Testing the spray pattern is a MUST!

I turn the air cap to spray a horizontal pattern and spray a single spot until it starts to run. If it is adjusted correctly there should be an even amount of drips.



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