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Hi, Guys
Been reading your post with interest I am looking to run
an L28 on A 240Z with twin SU,s. Looking to do minor mods
Exhaust,Cat, Head. Would I be able to get 200+HP in doing that.
What would you recomend or advise?
Thanks Guys educated Already
Been reading your post with interest I am looking to run
an L28 on A 240Z with twin SU,s. Looking to do minor mods
Exhaust,Cat, Head. Would I be able to get 200+HP in doing that.
What would you recomend or advise?
Thanks Guys educated Already
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You can run a very strong engine with dual SU's.
No, minor mods will not do 200+hp. To get that kind of hp at the wheels you will need major mods and you'll barely make it to 200hp.
I saw a car on a dyno with tripple webbers, a cam, shaved and ported head and he only got 151hp at the wheels. Maybe he was using a 3.54 rearend though... and the carbs could probably be tuned for a bit more power.
You'll need to get a performance jetting kit for the SU's and port out that intake manifold and intake runners in the head. Get a long duration cam and tight springs. Make that engine pull hard to 7000 rpm. A low geared rearend like a 3.9 or 4.11 will help a lot too.
No, minor mods will not do 200+hp. To get that kind of hp at the wheels you will need major mods and you'll barely make it to 200hp.
I saw a car on a dyno with tripple webbers, a cam, shaved and ported head and he only got 151hp at the wheels. Maybe he was using a 3.54 rearend though... and the carbs could probably be tuned for a bit more power.
You'll need to get a performance jetting kit for the SU's and port out that intake manifold and intake runners in the head. Get a long duration cam and tight springs. Make that engine pull hard to 7000 rpm. A low geared rearend like a 3.9 or 4.11 will help a lot too.
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HP is tricky, an unusual measurement. I know gears add torque wich is what really counts on a per turn or take-off basis, the ability to force those tires against the ground and apply more force. Gears add leverage (torque) just like a classic lever does. Your crank torque is multiplied through your driveline to what ultimately comes out at hubs, then is lost by exerting it over the radius of your wheel/tire. HP is exactly that power. 1 hp is equal to the amount of energy taken to move a 1lb frictionless block 1ft. Sort of confusing when you are talking about a car. Hp has the equivilent metric measurement of kilowatts, ya the stuff thats in you powerlines at home. The simplest analogy i've read was this: Imagine you are workin out in the gym. The amount of weight you push is the torqe exerted. The number of times you do it or reps are equivilent to your rpms. The sum of all the power used in pushing the weight (exerting torque) x the number of times you did it (rpm) is the HP. Thats why (to a certain extent) HP increases with revs. By putting a 4.11 (which i did) or 3.90 rear end you multiply your torque exiting the trany 4.11 times or 3.90 times respectively as opposed to the 3.36 or 3.54 multiplier. But just like a lever, the more torque you multiply up comes at the cost of more revs or your top speed. I hope this helps more than confuses you...; )
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Ya, true that the rearend doesn't increase your engine's power, but I'm usually thinking of what is at the wheels.
think of it this way, at low rpm or at high rpm, what gear has the most power at takeoff? The lowest gear of course. If 1st gear at the same gear ratios as 2nd gear, you'd take off slower and have less torque and horsepower; but the engine's horsepower is unchanged.
Not only does a lower geared rearend get the rpms spun up faster, but you have more power (at the ground) at any given rpm in any gear because your final drive gear ratio is lower!
If you drive a 280ZX with a 3.9 for a long time and then get in an amost stock 280zx with a 4.11 rear and the same transmision, you'll be sold. That little bit of gear change makes a noticeable difference.
think of it this way, at low rpm or at high rpm, what gear has the most power at takeoff? The lowest gear of course. If 1st gear at the same gear ratios as 2nd gear, you'd take off slower and have less torque and horsepower; but the engine's horsepower is unchanged.
Not only does a lower geared rearend get the rpms spun up faster, but you have more power (at the ground) at any given rpm in any gear because your final drive gear ratio is lower!
If you drive a 280ZX with a 3.9 for a long time and then get in an amost stock 280zx with a 4.11 rear and the same transmision, you'll be sold. That little bit of gear change makes a noticeable difference.
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ya i had a 79 w/ the stock diff. pretty sure it is a 3.36, but i never bothered opening it up after i got my 4.11 in. whhooooo it was a big gear change, but i also put in a newer trany which is higher geared than the 79, but i love it. freeway drivin aint too bad 3200rpm @75mph, but do i have some pickup on the freeway with my revs up. It pulls hard in 5th even up hill on the frwy. I recomend it to any one with a n/a, maybe turbo but ive never driven one so i dont know how much it needs it. For all you people out there asking how much hp or how much of a difference an intake or exhaust will give you go out an buy a $100 4.11 diff. and be amazed. Definently near the top on my recommended power hunter to-do list. the r180 to r200 swap was kinda tricky but a very ingenius design by nissan made the swap simple once you figure out their trick. I know allllll about it for any one planning on doing it! I had fun with my car on jackstands for a week while i ran back and forth to pick n pull one an a half hours away from me trying to figure out exactly what parts i needed.
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Gears will increase the ammount of horsepower at the wheels, since WHP is based on your cars ability to spin tires really quickly. And as for turbo cars, unless you are running an automatic then it is better to stick with numerically lower (taller) gears since they allow more time for boost to build and it keeps the turbo spooling for a greater ammount of time.
-Matt
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Gears do NOT increase HP. They can increase TORQUE but not HP.
'If you want 200 HP out of an NA L28 you'll have to do a "stroker" motor and it will end up costing you more than swapping in a salvage yard turbo motor. They guy making 151 HP at the rear wheels was making about 175-180 flywheel HP. THat's about the best you'll do without a stroker or boosting hte engine with a turbocharger or supercharger. If you want 200+ NA HP and reliability you'll need to swap in a V-8. Again - that gets expensive. I know, I'm running an LS1 in my '77.
'If you want 200 HP out of an NA L28 you'll have to do a "stroker" motor and it will end up costing you more than swapping in a salvage yard turbo motor. They guy making 151 HP at the rear wheels was making about 175-180 flywheel HP. THat's about the best you'll do without a stroker or boosting hte engine with a turbocharger or supercharger. If you want 200+ NA HP and reliability you'll need to swap in a V-8. Again - that gets expensive. I know, I'm running an LS1 in my '77.
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What I did to increase the horsepower was I went with a different head to increase my compression(10.5:1). Of course the tuned su's, and header helped quite a bit. I put a 3.9 behind it all. I had 240 hp at the fly though. I was doing a 60 in 5.5 and a 1/4 in 14 even. That has been my experience though. Good luck.
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What I did to increase the horsepower was I went with a different head to increase my compression(10.5:1). Of course the tuned su's, and header helped quite a bit. I put a 3.9 behind it all. I had 240 hp at the fly though. I was doing a 60 in 5.5 and a 1/4 in 14 even. That has been my experience though. Good luck.
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What I did to increase the horsepower was I went with a different head to increase my compression(10.5:1). Of course the tuned su's, and header helped quite a bit. I put a 3.9 behind it all. I had 240 hp at the fly though. I was doing a 60 in 5.5 and a 1/4 in 14 even. That has been my experience though. Good luck.
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Which diff. would be good for better acceleration and still allow me to drive it on the highway without problems? What all will i need to do to bolt up a different rearend on my '79 NA? I think it has the r180 with like 3.36 gears, but I would like to get a higher geared differential. Is it hard to put on a different rearend and from what cars could i get one? I hope this post makes sense, and thanks in advance for any help.
-Randy
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according to the haynes manual:
1979
R180
Auto Trans.............................3.545
Manual...................................3.364
R200
Deluxe....................................3.364
GL...........................................3.700
1980-1982
R180.........................................3.545
R200
N/A.........................................3.900
Turbo......................................3.545
All non-GL models with manual trans. in 1979 came with 3.36, either r180 or r200, if it was 2+2 then it was most likely an r200 (as the 2+2's are heavier, and need a beefier diff), if a 2 seater then r180. Then from 80 on, unless its a 2 seater n/a, its r200, and would have been at least a 3.545
hope that helps
1979
R180
Auto Trans.............................3.545
Manual...................................3.364
R200
Deluxe....................................3.364
GL...........................................3.700
1980-1982
R180.........................................3.545
R200
N/A.........................................3.900
Turbo......................................3.545
All non-GL models with manual trans. in 1979 came with 3.36, either r180 or r200, if it was 2+2 then it was most likely an r200 (as the 2+2's are heavier, and need a beefier diff), if a 2 seater then r180. Then from 80 on, unless its a 2 seater n/a, its r200, and would have been at least a 3.545
hope that helps
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Originally posted by Phantom
Gears do NOT increase HP. They can increase TORQUE but not HP.
Gears do NOT increase HP. They can increase TORQUE but not HP.
Like with your LS1, some vettes run a 3.3, 3.5, and some guys say they swap in a 3.7 rear. Even they use gears to help with 1/4 mile runs. It does change your power on the ground.
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