lww

I know TWO Z32's that are going to be in F&F3 with an R34 and two Z33's!

Lost Vegaz

I know 1 300GT, that is going to be in it too. And 1 was in the prequel to F&F 2. Our prices never went up either. My opinion is Supra's are the freak of the auto world. I personally know of 2 stock blocks that are holding 800 plus horses, all most daily drivers. 1 built 1 that is in the high 9's, very low 10's, race car only. Those motor's were built to take boost. Nothing else can come close, to those #'s. 6g72 twin tubo's can't, VG30's can't. There is just something about those in' line 6 motor's. Now that is a idea. Supra motor in a Z. Unlimited power in a really light weight chassis. HMMM

SHADY280

You Can Get 1000 Hp From A Supra I Dont Think A Z32 Would Be As Easy

RodMoyes

I have a better idea... Just go buy a damn Supra... Toyota lover!!!

Rod.

jfairladyz

I seen a 1000HP Z32 once. In a magazine. Of course, it had a LS1 No, seriously though, I do recall seeing an article on a 1000HP Z32 with a VG30DETT. The whole article was based primarily on proving the VG can handle the power levels of the 2JZ. There was a time when the VG ruled sportcompact drag racing, back when Escort racing had it's Z32's out there. But they just sort of fell off the map with those cars. I don't know what happened. Now it's all Toyota, all the time. The 2JZ is an awesome motor, and is UNTOUCHABLE by any other motor to come of a mass production line from Japan.

And flip open an autotrader and count all the late model Supras you see. Any Supra's, not just TT's. Now flip on over to Nissan and count all the Z32TT's. ONly the TT's. That's all the reason you'll need to stop wondering why the huge price difference. And if you're wondering why the 3000GT is priced lower than the Supra but just about as rare: it might be because you could hop on over to your friendly neighborhood Dodge dealer and pick up a rebadge for a few -K less

duowing

Well I do know that the price of the mkIV Supra, pretty much skyrocketed after the first F&F movie. If you've ever been on SupraForums.com they do talk about the F&F movies quite abit. It was inspiring to see a mkIV go from non-turbo, to fastest nos car. I assume had the car been a Z32, the Z32 would have become much more popular. I've seen discussions over on 300ZXClub.com where they were talking about quite a few Z32's getting to the HP range of the Supra. It just sounds like due to the Z32 setup, it's just alot harder to get it there whereas the Supra has the engine and room to start throwing on all kinds of bolt ons, etc. Although I think I'd take a Z32 over a mkIV. I like the Z32 body style better. Perfect combination would be the Z32 as is, but with a 2JZ-GETT IMO.

Lost Vegaz

Hey, I will allways be a 2jz lover. I don't like the car, All the same, no matter what the power they had. They drive and turn like a big ol Cadilac. And I've driven a few. But that motor has unbelieveable power, things are nasty. And that is why they demand respect and high $. To me, that motor is perfection, nothing comes close to that motor.

jfairladyz

The Z32 didn't need a movie to be popular. It's got the Z badge and that's all it needed Plus the engine is the ONLY thing the Supra has going for it. Interior is awkward. The handling is sub par. (though they're stability at high speeds is great, they just don't turn for squat, compared to the Z32 anyways).And finally, and this is a matter of taste, they're just not the best looking car ever produced. Now I'm not saying the Z32 is either, but if I had to take one or the other, it'd be the Z32. If you matched HP to HP on those two cars I have a feeling the Z would swallow the supra after running circles around it Now, if only Mazda had put a REAL engine in the RX7. It would have dominated ALL. Best handling of any sports car to come outta Japan. Too bad Mazda didn't have a competitive engine design of their own so they had to throw in a Rotory. Amazing engine, but not the highest performing engine at the time Oh, and it was/is one damn sexy car. 20 years from now and the FD will still be a great looking car. That design is timeless. They shoulda had the guy that designed that car design the RX8. Yuck!!!

duowing

Which is why I said I think a Z32 with a 2JZ would be pretty awesome. Or a 2JZ in an older Z such as the 280ZX and older, that'd be alot better. Or a 2JZ in an FD. There we go, that would be perfect. I agree the Z32 isn't spectacular. Mainly the front end doesn't look so great, it looks kinda cheap, and Saturn like, but I still don't mind it. Whereas everyone thinks the mkIV looks so wonderful. I liked the mkIII Supra much more.

entropy31

not quite. a big part of the FDs handling has to do with that wankel. they set the engine practically in your lap, and it doesnt weigh much at all. that gives the FD a nearly perfect weight distribution. dump a 2jz in there and you have thrown off the balance completely, and i bet it would handle like sh*t.

007max

There are a few guys in AZ that are running Supra motors in their Zs... those thing are beasts

jfairladyz

What Mazda needed was a good V6 to throw into that car. Sport compact car recently tested a V8 FD and it still handled awesome, even with all that extra weight up there. I agree that a inline 6 would hurt though cause it not only adds weight, but it adds weight in front of those shock towers. A V6 could keep its weight back by the firewall, and make it out of aluminum and now we're talking.
Thats the problem with the inline motors, they're just too long and make a car nose heavy. Especially a car designed to accept a shorter motor. Though a 2JZ powered FD would still be a sexy beast and could tear up a drag strip at will

RodMoyes

Just drop an SR20DETT into that FD and you have a SCREAMER that will handle like a go kart... Best part... NISSAN MOTOR!

Rod.

duowing

So we're dropping a VG30DETT into the FD now? I like it.

jfairladyz

It dont matter what you drop into it, it'll end up a better car then the car the motor came out of

entropy31

i still think that buy fiddling with the weight distribution of the FD, you'll mess the handling up terribly.

Lost Vegaz

J are you serious? The rotary is another great motor design. Because it spins, there is no power lost. Convential motors lose power on the exhaust stroke. Rotaries are like 6 cylinder engines. 2 rotars set 180* apart. Atypical engine is compression, power, exhaust, intake. The beauty of a rotary is that 1 rotar is all ways on a power stroke. One face while on compression, the other face is on exhaust, and the other face is on a power stroke. And the rotor right behind it is about to be on a power stroke. So they go boom, boom, boom, boom etc. Our convential motors go boom, pause, boom, pause, boom ets. And since the rotars are firing different, it keeps balace better, 10,000 rpm's are easy to a rotary. The reason the got a bad rap here, is because americans are lazy. The rotary needs constant maintanence, since it is a 2 stroke motor, oil is injected, it uses oil faster, also the radiators were barely enough to keep a stock car cool. And since detonation is so harsh to them, you can blow a motor by turning, on a low gas tank. fuel is at a higher pressure so if the pickup runs dry, that rotar will go lean, and under boost, everyone knows that is bad. Honda got big bragging rights because they make a 100 hp per liter of engine size, big deal. Some rotaries are making 3 4 hundred hp on a tiny 1.3 liters Plus since I used to work for a rotary shop, those motars are so simple to take apart. Mazda only pulled the rotary because it lost it's A$$ on warrenty. Other parts of the world love em, Puerto Rico, and of course Japan. I'll tell you the really bad parts of the motor later. Enough typing

jfairladyz

Alright first of all, I love the rotary engine. It is still, to this day a marvel of internal combustion. But none the less it is EXTREMELY limited. A V8 is on it's power stroke just as often as a rotory, but that's beside the point. And a V10 or V12 is simply the premium in engine harmonics. Sure each piston goes through it pause as far as combustion goes, but so does a rotary. Sure each rotor is always on it's combustion stroke, but you have to look at each side of the rotor as a different cylinder. So each rotor is only on combustion every third time around making it only slightly more efficient that a 4 or 6 cylinder motor. The reason the rotorary got a bad rap is because it deserved it. Sure americans are lazy but when it comes to the rotory engine I've done my homework. It got its bad rap cause of apex seals that are inherently weaker in design the piston rings. If you try to beef them up so they can withstand higher pressures without blowing then they don't seal so you start losing compression which translates to crappy idle and faster wearing down of the rotor housing. They overheat more easily then a Z32 running 30lbs of boost. The rotory is not a 2 stroke motor. There is no stroking being done in a rotory engine and a 2 stroke is actually more efficient in design then a rotory is. It's design simpy limits the 2 stroke from being able to practically displace enough volume to be used in production vehicles and it's emissions output is unacceptable (though there are designs to overcome that drawback). The rotary in stock trim is a magnificant motor, unfortunately it is, just as you said, too sensitive. This means it's not ideal for high horsepower. However you want to look at it, it's just not. You said it yourself. They're prone to failure. Yes they are simple, and that is their downfall. With simplicity comes less parts to wear down. Well all that means is that what little parts there are in there are wearing down twice as fast. Ever seen a rotory eclipse 200K. Not too many, And most probably never will. If you want to push 400HP out of a rotory motor then you better have access to racing fuel or some really high octane cause you aint running that baby on our finest swill of 91 octane without sending that thing into a detonating coma. And Mazda didn't pull the rotary cause of warranty claims. They pulled the rotory cause of the design they couldn't get it to comply with the stringent emissions that we got hit with. Thats why they redesigned it and rebadged it the Rensis instead of the Wankel. Alls they really changed was the ports. By doing so they not only cleaned up emissions but they also got some horsepower out of the deal. Everyone wonders why the renesis isn't turbo charged from the factory. Well, I'm guessing mazda doesn't want this engine gaining the rep the previous one had. Like I said, I love the genius of the rotory motor. But it's not a tuners motor. There are those who try, and some succesfully. But a high performance rotory is not meant for the street. They do well in racing where cooling systems can be optimized. Where the motor can be tore down and rebuilt after every race. Where they don't have to worry about idling issues. If they would've stuck that motor in a different car, and not their line of sports cars then that motor would've faded out of existance a very long time ago.

But hey, long live the Wankel right

Lost Vegaz

I've seen N.A. rotaries live to 200. In N.A trim they are very reliable. Turbo's are another issue. And what you said is mostly true. The 3 mm Apex seals are better than the 2's but, that has it weaknesses too. You can't rev them as high or as hard. Now to the real problem's of the rotary.The real downside is that rotaries have a nasty little habit of spitting there Apex and side and corner seals into fully spooled turbine wheels. So when the motor goes it usually takes the turbine with it. And sinse those seals are riding on a couple really tiny springs, that push the seals into the walls of the rotar housing, that when they blow, those pieces of it imbed and scratch the housing up and usually dig themselves into the rotar too. And since no one can resurface a rotar or a housing, you just end up throwing em away and buying new, which is expensive, or finding used. So it does have major draw backs. Okay, but the power is there.

You were mostly right about the rotary, except, it is a hell of a lot more efficent. Normal engines go up and down, and have to go threw a wasted cycle, exhaust. A rotary, just spins, 1 face just spins over to the intake port, spins on over to the spark plugs, and spins over to the exhaust, and right back around again. No wasted movement, and no wasted energy. That is the beauty of that motor. All the other problems, Hey, that's why I don't own a RX-7 anymore

SHADY280

I Agree, There Neat But A Pain. My Friend Had A Rx7 With The Fuel Injected Engine With 420000 Orginal Miles (1 Owner). We Took It Out (it Ran Great By The Way) And Dumped In A 450 Horse Chev 350. Now It Really Goes.