domsgarage

So im pulling the motor, i can see right through the trans / motor center whatever.

The trans wont come off the motor. All the bolts are out, i guess its just the center thats still connected somewhere, i can see about 3 inches around the entire housing.

Any special trick to disengaging it from the motor?

Thanks in advance.

Its a 5 speed.

ZLover4Life

It shouldn't be giving any problems... there's no reason for it to be stuck. Are you 100% positive you got EVERY bolt completely out?

domsgarage

yes sir. you can see all around the transmission and the metal gaskets fell as well, not all the way through but you know, they dropped.

ZLover4Life

Are you sure it's not being blocked in back? If the trans is too high up in the tunnel, the trans mount will impact stuff, for example.

There's honestly no reason the input shaft would be holding the transmission in the car... once it's unbolted, it was always really easy to get down, for me. (Just a bitch to put back up sometimes.)

domsgarage

Its unbolted, it moves freely, I can spin it. I was under there pulling it and its just not coming free. Its unbolted from the shifter / mounts / motor. The metal gaskets have dropped so that's not the issue its just pulling free.

KasbeKZ

if it's pulled back an inch or more, just go ahead and start dropping the rear. there are things that the top can catch on, so you need to drop it a little for every little bit that it comes back.

and yes, what a PAIN to put it back up. i've spent 3 hours trying. it's crazy.

domsgarage

I had it dropped pretty much as much as it can drop and was pulling on it with nothing. Ill get at it again tomorrow and see what happens. Its a real pain because I wanted that motor out TODAY and was so close!

KasbeKZ

did you block the engine up so it doesn't rock back in any way? if you did, that may be the problem. i do block it at the pan, but i also lean it back for removing/stabbing.

domsgarage

The motor can move, I can get the motor off the mounts. The trans can move freely, I can spin turn it back and forth on the shaft. I'd say the housing is at least an inch and a half off the motor and I can see the gear / the gaskets are hanging on the shaft so I know all the bolts are out. I'll post some pictures up so you guys can see what I see. Its a reall pain in the ***

domsgarage

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domsgarage

Check it out and let me know what you guys think.

It still wont budge, i was at it for almost 2 hours again today.

KasbeKZ

so the tranny is in gear and you can spin the shaft? that's good

the transmission itself is really stuck and not moving at all? or you can move it and it just stops on its way back?

based on the pictures, it looks like your main harness there has sagged down a bit and is getting pinched between the bell housing and the tunnel. that's a tight point at any point during the procedure, so if your harness is down there getting in the way of the housing, that could stop you from getting the motion you need to get it out.

solution: push that harness up out of the way.

ZLover4Life

Quit trying to come out at such an extreme angle. Every one of those pictures shows that the trans is crooked... thus, the input shaft is binding.

domsgarage

I can move the transmission, i can lower it and pretty much spin it around on the shaft.

Yes its in gear. Should it not be in gear? Could that be the problem?

The harness / wiring isnt down there, thats just the way the picture looks, its not in the way at all.

domsgarage

Ive tried to pull it out at almost every angle, it just wont come out any further then it has. Ive had it straight light it normally is to dropped as much as it can be, just wont slide out.

KasbeKZ

oh when i asked that question i was having a brain fart and thinking in terms of my midget transmission that had a flange on the ouput shaft. i forgot that there's no way to spin this shaft right now.

so yeah, it sounds like zlover is right in that your angle is too great and the shaft is bound. you need to keep it coming strait out until it is out so that you don't break your clutch disk (yes, it's the old one, but practice for the install!) or even worse, bend the nose shaft. so get the tranny coming strait out and pull again. maybe you have to give it a little muscle if the nose shaft is stuck in the pilot bushing or something. that's doubtful though, because it's already out far enough to have cleared that issue.

edit: i saw your above post. not too sure what to tell you now!

domsgarage

Clutch is brand new!

The trans was just out like 4-5 months ago when I had my clutch done.

Thanks for the edit.

It looks like its supposed to rain here tomorrow, It'll be good to get a day off, ive been working on the car all day and then catching up with my work at night.

On the upside, I found the motor, and the guy that does the sales at the shop goes to japan and brings the entire car back to philly and does the pulls in his shop so I know what im getting more then a place with a bunch of motors on shelves.

Ill try at it again on saturday, its a bummer though, i wanted to get this motor picked up and in the car by the end of the weekend.

Well see what happens. Ill keep you two posted, thanks for the suggestions.

CanyonCarver

Are you trying to pull the motor while leaving the tranny in the car? It won't happen very easily without lowering the front crossmember and you risk damaging the clutch disc by tweaking it the way you are. You also risk damaging the tranny input shaft/seal. You need to either: lower the front crossmember, pull the motor with the tranny attached, or set the motor back on the mounts and drop the tranny out the bottom.

domsgarage

No, trying to drop the trams out first. the picture is just to show how far its disconnecting. ive tried to pull it off at all angles, including straight out.

Lanoi

i had this problem too when i took my trans out. theres a shaft inside the bell houseing of trans it gos through , im sure u know this but it prolly the shaft is trying to slide out a crooked angle when the shaft is inside thepressure plater clutch ect. cause from your pic the gap between bell housing and back of block are uneven at the bottom. i used a praiy bar to wiggle it loose ,at the bottom. and had a trany rack holding the trans up.

domsgarage

It was angled because thats where it was at when i took the picture. I was thinking of a pry bar but i really dont want to nick up the housing. Im gonna get back at it tomorrow morning with a set of fresh hands to help me out and see what happens.

Lanoi

cover pry with thick leather glove

KasbeKZ

i'm betting that your pilot bushing got installed incorrectly and is all boogered up and it's dug into the nose shaft and that's holding it in there. it's doubtful though. i can't think of anything else though.

CanyonCarver

You might then try getting a jack under the front of the motor and jack it up to tilt the motor back a little. I've done this every time that I've removed a Z tranny.

You probably already have the tranny input shaft bound up between the pilot bushing and the clutch disc. The disc is held in place by the pressure plate. It may take a pry bar to get it apart. Or, you could try to pull the tranny back to the motor with some bolts, then re-attach the slave cylinder,disengage and re-engage the clutch by pushing the pedal, and the disc will re-align to the shaft and pilot bushing.

ZLover4Life

This is a good idea. I usually have to do similar to put the trans in, because it's very difficult to line it up straight without it.