short shift on e-bay
#4
Originally Posted by hoov100zx
eh, i would just go to a machine shop and have them cut it down and re-thread it, its basicly all a short shifter is. (captain obvious)
Actually thats NOT what a short shifter is. A true short shifter changes the position of the fulcrum to manipulate the way the lever moves.. It relocates the pivot point farther away from the transmission (closer to your hand) so that it requires less hand movement to do the same amount of work on the end that counts.
Just cutting down the stock shifter and rethreading it will only make you work harder to move the business end of the lever.
Last edited by rxKaffee; 07-27-2006 at 04:17 PM.
#5
Originally Posted by rxKaffee
Actually thats NOT what a short shifter is. A true short shifter changes the position of the fulcrum to manipulate the way the lever moves.. It relocates the pivot point farther away from the transmission (closer to your hand) so that it requires less hand movement to do the same amount of work on the end that counts.
Just cutting down the stock shifter and rethreading it will only make you work harder to move the business end of the lever.
Just cutting down the stock shifter and rethreading it will only make you work harder to move the business end of the lever.
#6
Opinions may vary, but most of the the ebay shifters are identical to most of the shifters sold by the name-brand on-line Z-parts retailers. Knowing the manufacturing industry like I do, it's very common for "name brand" retailers to buy parts from other (even competitor) manufacturers and repackage the products with their own names.
A recent example is in some research into aftermarket clutch manufacturing that I did. Spurred by a friend that designs aftermarket clutches for a living. Most of your "name brand" aftermarket clutch manufacturers start out by buying an OEM clutck kit and then modifying it in one way or another. Usually just putting a stronger diaphragm spring in the pressure plate and giving it a pretty paint job. And the friction disk, they start with the OEM style one, disassemble it for the center splined piece, and then add their own outer design to it. Some of the aftermarket manufacturers don't even change the pressure plate. They just add in their own 4 or 6 puck friction plate design that increases clutch clamping force by reducing the surface area of the friction plate.
So, in conclusion, whether buying a "name brand" shifter, or an ebay shifter, there's a good chance that you're getting the same identical product. The only thing is, with the "name brand" shifter, you have some recourse for returning it if it ends up being a POS.
A recent example is in some research into aftermarket clutch manufacturing that I did. Spurred by a friend that designs aftermarket clutches for a living. Most of your "name brand" aftermarket clutch manufacturers start out by buying an OEM clutck kit and then modifying it in one way or another. Usually just putting a stronger diaphragm spring in the pressure plate and giving it a pretty paint job. And the friction disk, they start with the OEM style one, disassemble it for the center splined piece, and then add their own outer design to it. Some of the aftermarket manufacturers don't even change the pressure plate. They just add in their own 4 or 6 puck friction plate design that increases clutch clamping force by reducing the surface area of the friction plate.
So, in conclusion, whether buying a "name brand" shifter, or an ebay shifter, there's a good chance that you're getting the same identical product. The only thing is, with the "name brand" shifter, you have some recourse for returning it if it ends up being a POS.
Last edited by CanyonCarver; 07-29-2006 at 07:20 AM.
#7
I say, do you really want to put cheap parts on your Z? Why not spend the extra money and put a high quality unit on?
I've seen EBay short shifters break during hard shifting... Here's prime example... This is my buddy WG's 585whp Honda Civic. Watch the video, and at 00:28 in the video, his shifter breaks in half from third going into fourth, and watch how deep the RPM goes (12,000RPM) because of it. After he relized what happened, he grabbed the remaining stub and slammed it into fourth.
After that happened, he trashed the EBay shifter, and put in a Skunk2 Dual Bend... Hell, he already has over $25,000 into the car, may as well spend an extra hundred dollars on a good shifter.
That's my view on it.
I've seen EBay short shifters break during hard shifting... Here's prime example... This is my buddy WG's 585whp Honda Civic. Watch the video, and at 00:28 in the video, his shifter breaks in half from third going into fourth, and watch how deep the RPM goes (12,000RPM) because of it. After he relized what happened, he grabbed the remaining stub and slammed it into fourth.
After that happened, he trashed the EBay shifter, and put in a Skunk2 Dual Bend... Hell, he already has over $25,000 into the car, may as well spend an extra hundred dollars on a good shifter.
That's my view on it.
#9
These all look like identical parts to me........ just different packaging names.
AMZ Shifter
Z! Shifter
EBAY Shifter #1
EBAY Shifter #2
AMZ Shifter
Z! Shifter
EBAY Shifter #1
EBAY Shifter #2
#10
Originally Posted by rxKaffee
How would a honda shifter break, doesn't the shift lever control cables or something on those transmissions?
So either way, the shifter can still break in half due to poor quality. It has nothing to do with linkage.
CanyonCarver... They all look the same, but that doesn't mean the same materials were used when making them. And Fidanza isn't an EBay brand, Fidanza's actually a very good company. Anyway, I would rather just spend a few extra bucks and buy a good quality unit... That's just me though.
Last edited by NISMO LMR; 07-30-2006 at 12:47 PM.
#11
I bought a B&M short shifter for my Z off of Ebay. I paid about $55 (it was a while ago). BTW - It's not a cut down shifter. We are not talking about a Ford of a Chevy here! <LOL> I'd like to see someone cut a Z shifter down - there would be nothing left! <LOL> Now that the bushing are broken in, its great! It was a little stiff initially. I would recommend that you buy some stock bushings and install them instead of the ones that come with your short shifter. You may have to do some slight modifications to the short shifter to make the stock bushings work, but it will be worth it. I love it!
#12
I agree with CC and KevinH...I bought my shifter off ebay. It was the same package as the examples CC provided. Works great! I just dont understand why they include those two bolts...i only used one and they are too long.
#13
Originally Posted by KevinH
We are not talking about a Ford of a Chevy here! <LOL> I'd like to see someone cut a Z shifter down - there would be nothing left! <LOL>
I don't think it would look as good that short in a Z though, as in the tiny *** interior of a 1st gen miata.
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