The official post whore thread..
01-14-2010, 06:49 PM
#9876
Ruff Ryder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: palm desert
Posts: 6,140
01-14-2010, 07:22 PM
#9878
Ruff Ryder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: palm desert
Posts: 6,140
considering , all but like 5 race cars I have touched where GM, I would think that i would have accumulated some knowledge on them. The only difference between a camaro and pontiac (70's era) where the: front body clip, badges, tail lights, motor mount location, bellhousing bolt pattern and different color/sticker options. That is the only difference. I have torn enough down, destroyed enough and built enough to know this. (also the only thing non-pontiac body/chassis wise is the front nose, which is from an 85 IROC, but is the exact same as a firebird.
01-14-2010, 07:34 PM
#9880
i felld offa mai trike
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 827
yea... like I said, you just keep telling yourself that. I don't think I'll tell my dad, who's been racing and building Pontiac-Powered-Pontiac's for 30 years now, he might just die of laughter or disappointment, or both...
And yes, one's a '76 Firebird Formula, the other's a plain-jane '76 Camaro...
And yes, one's a '76 Firebird Formula, the other's a plain-jane '76 Camaro...
01-14-2010, 07:56 PM
#9881
Ruff Ryder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: palm desert
Posts: 6,140
yea... like I said, you just keep telling yourself that. I don't think I'll tell my dad, who's been racing and building Pontiac-Powered-Pontiac's for 30 years now, he might just die of laughter or disappointment, or both...
And yes, one's a '76 Firebird Formula, the other's a plain-jane '76 Camaro...
And yes, one's a '76 Firebird Formula, the other's a plain-jane '76 Camaro...
since your so knowledgeable on the subject, why not tell me, what makes you think they are different?
(also i own a GTO as well)
Last edited by hoov100; 01-14-2010 at 08:03 PM.
01-14-2010, 08:47 PM
#9882
i felld offa mai trike
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 827
Let's see,
the heads are different, use different chamber designs and have exhaust port extensions which makes changing spark plugs oh so easy to change...
The crank has a larger main journal size (either 3" or 3.25" mains)
longer strokes than most, if not all, chevies (stock)
uses a valley pan seperate from the intake manifold, so the intake is in no way in contact with oil.
different timing cover, and therefore uses a different oil pan
different water pump
open lifter bores (there's no webbing between most of the lifter bores, as opposed to chevies where there's an oil galley running between them and completely webbed up)
different starter placement
Pontiac never had a "big-block" or "small-block" designation, all Pontiac V8 blocks from the 326 to the 455 all had the same outside dimensions.
basically nothing is shared between the two.
Oh, and saying you'll beat him in one of your autox cars is just an excuse for not being able to make enough power to beat him where his car was actually built to run
(although his '77 T/A is no slouch in the corners)
the heads are different, use different chamber designs and have exhaust port extensions which makes changing spark plugs oh so easy to change...
The crank has a larger main journal size (either 3" or 3.25" mains)
longer strokes than most, if not all, chevies (stock)
uses a valley pan seperate from the intake manifold, so the intake is in no way in contact with oil.
different timing cover, and therefore uses a different oil pan
different water pump
open lifter bores (there's no webbing between most of the lifter bores, as opposed to chevies where there's an oil galley running between them and completely webbed up)
different starter placement
Pontiac never had a "big-block" or "small-block" designation, all Pontiac V8 blocks from the 326 to the 455 all had the same outside dimensions.
basically nothing is shared between the two.
Oh, and saying you'll beat him in one of your autox cars is just an excuse for not being able to make enough power to beat him where his car was actually built to run
(although his '77 T/A is no slouch in the corners)
01-14-2010, 11:30 PM
#9883
Ruff Ryder
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: palm desert
Posts: 6,140
Let's see,
the heads are different, use different chamber designs and have exhaust port extensions which makes changing spark plugs oh so easy to change...
The crank has a larger main journal size (either 3" or 3.25" mains)
longer strokes than most, if not all, chevies (stock)
uses a valley pan seperate from the intake manifold, so the intake is in no way in contact with oil.
different timing cover, and therefore uses a different oil pan
different water pump
open lifter bores (there's no webbing between most of the lifter bores, as opposed to chevies where there's an oil galley running between them and completely webbed up)
different starter placement
Pontiac never had a "big-block" or "small-block" designation, all Pontiac V8 blocks from the 326 to the 455 all had the same outside dimensions.
basically nothing is shared between the two.
Oh, and saying you'll beat him in one of your autox cars is just an excuse for not being able to make enough power to beat him where his car was actually built to run (although his '77 T/A is no slouch in the corners)
the heads are different, use different chamber designs and have exhaust port extensions which makes changing spark plugs oh so easy to change...
The crank has a larger main journal size (either 3" or 3.25" mains)
longer strokes than most, if not all, chevies (stock)
uses a valley pan seperate from the intake manifold, so the intake is in no way in contact with oil.
different timing cover, and therefore uses a different oil pan
different water pump
open lifter bores (there's no webbing between most of the lifter bores, as opposed to chevies where there's an oil galley running between them and completely webbed up)
different starter placement
Pontiac never had a "big-block" or "small-block" designation, all Pontiac V8 blocks from the 326 to the 455 all had the same outside dimensions.
basically nothing is shared between the two.
Oh, and saying you'll beat him in one of your autox cars is just an excuse for not being able to make enough power to beat him where his car was actually built to run
(although his '77 T/A is no slouch in the corners)
also unless you dad is driving an all out time attack car, 530WHP in a 2500 pound car with 12 inch slicks up front and 13 in rear, one crazy *** driver and wilwood brakes, he's gonna be left in the dust faster then when that zo6 tried to keep up at willow.
01-15-2010, 09:05 PM
#9885
Badass Z Chick
Join Date: May 2006
Location: South Costal Bend, TX
Posts: 464
. You two should just like exchange numbers and hash it out over the phone...or better yet, take it to the track, problem solved. So what's everyone else been up to? Anyone?
01-16-2010, 01:01 AM
#9886
eff good grammar
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Deadford OR
Posts: 1,578
he'll buy a chevy but wont buy a GMC because he thinks their crap even though the drivetrain is freakin the same.
fire chicken, cramarow....same ****in thing, stupidly minor differences
who do you think makes a pontiac? or used to. you think they are going to make something thats COMEPLTELY different? do you realize how cost ineffective that is?
01-16-2010, 11:18 AM
#9889
i felld offa mai trike
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 827
Same chassis for the most part, yes, but nearly every body panel was changed between the different companies. (on top of Buick's having Buick motors, Pontiac's having Pontiac motors, Oldsmobile's having Oldsmobile motors, etc. etc. up until '81 when they stopped making Pontiac motors altogether)
01-16-2010, 04:36 PM
#9890
Über User
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: lemont, Illinois
Posts: 9,532
well either way, both are horribly ugly cars haha. the late 70's all the 80's and alot of the 90's were TERRIBLE times for american cars haha. uuuuuuuugly underpowered and still gas guzzlers. finally got better in the lat 90's and currently but were amazing in the 60's and early 70's. honestly though, the 80's was a lame time for almost every car company in my eyes except porsche haha. so many ugly cars from the 80's BLAH!!!!!
01-16-2010, 07:40 PM
#9892
i felld offa mai trike
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 827
well either way, both are horribly ugly cars haha. the late 70's all the 80's and alot of the 90's were TERRIBLE times for american cars haha. uuuuuuuugly underpowered and still gas guzzlers. finally got better in the lat 90's and currently but were amazing in the 60's and early 70's. honestly though, the 80's was a lame time for almost every car company in my eyes except porsche haha. so many ugly cars from the 80's BLAH!!!!!
01-16-2010, 09:23 PM
#9893
Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: North Ga
Posts: 90
well either way, both are horribly ugly cars haha. the late 70's all the 80's and alot of the 90's were TERRIBLE times for american cars haha. uuuuuuuugly underpowered and still gas guzzlers. finally got better in the lat 90's and currently but were amazing in the 60's and early 70's. honestly though, the 80's was a lame time for almost every car company in my eyes except porsche haha. so many ugly cars from the 80's BLAH!!!!!
01-18-2010, 10:59 PM
#9895
eff good grammar
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Deadford OR
Posts: 1,578
01-19-2010, 06:25 PM
#9896
Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Concord, NC
Posts: 2,827
Guess What?!?!?!?
This crazy fool is buying a Z...yes a Z...not a ZX. Met a guy at a gas station...I had to get some condoms :/ ...ok not, but this guy was pumpin gas into a 1976 280Z...$800!!!!!!! Yeah so gonna buy it and fix it up...its an auto but someone has transplanted a 2.8L EFI engine in it. Gonna do it guys...YEAH!!! Sorry no pics but it needs paint and some interior work...nothing I can't handle now that I work
01-19-2010, 06:30 PM
#9897
Intrawebz Wizard
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Vernal, UT
Posts: 3,176
This crazy fool is buying a Z...yes a Z...not a ZX. Met a guy at a gas station...I had to get some condoms :/ ...ok not, but this guy was pumpin gas into a 1976 280Z...$800!!!!!!! Yeah so gonna buy it and fix it up...its an auto but someone has transplanted a 2.8L EFI engine in it. Gonna do it guys...YEAH!!! Sorry no pics but it needs paint and some interior work...nothing I can't handle now that I work
01-20-2010, 11:42 AM
#9900
Über User
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: lemont, Illinois
Posts: 9,532
lol, 2.8l efi engine was standard since 1975 models. nothing transplanted. and its easy to swap to manual. i have a set of manual pedals to sell if you want, well after i get another S30 that is incase i end up with an auto and need them myself.
